Monday, August 9, 2010

Theists, are any of you willing to admit that your holy books may be even slightly hard to interpret?

Even though there are obviously more faiths then these present in the world, I'm asking about the big two here: Islam and Christianity





Both the Qur'an and the Bible were written thousands of years ago using languages that have been constantly evolving ever since. Is it reasonable to assume that a phrase used thousands of years ago would mean the exact same thing as it would 500 years ago when the languages we speak changes so dramatically over the course of a decade?





The Qur'an was written in a language that is not only ';untranslatable'; but most of its followers don't even speak. I have a book called ';The Message of the Qur'an'; that has a massively long essay about how Arabic is too complex and ';poetic'; to be accurately translated ... to any language. Isn't it possible that whoever wrote ';The Message of the Qur'an'; may have gotten at least *some* of it wrong?





As for the Bible ... I can allow for the sake of argument that God really did give those words to mortal men who wrote them down. But, wouldn't it be **possible** that they may have misunderstood what God was saying. And even if God was careful and told them in a way that they would understand, wouldn't it be **possible** that they wouldn't be able to get it all written down correctly? And even if (big if) these bible writers were in a trance or something when God had them writing it all to make sure they got it right, isn't it even the slightest bit possible that over the last TWO THOUSAND YEARS, someone with too much power and not enough faith (history is FULL of people like this,) or even someone with a medieval education would have translated the Bible using languages that were modern THEN ... or simply changed what they wanted to promote their own agenda?





As an agnostic, I believe in the possibility of the existence of God, but it seems nearly impossible that these holy books would survive with their original message completely uncorrupted for THOUSANDS of years in the hands of men, given our nature.





I'm not asking you to believe that what I am saying is true, I am simply asking you to concede that it is **possible.**Theists, are any of you willing to admit that your holy books may be even slightly hard to interpret?
Their lack of true faith in God compels them to insist that their holy books are inerrant. For, if they had the faith they pretend to have they would have no need for holy books. They would consult God directly through the relationship that such faith is supposed to bring. But, they don't really believe that they could come to know God without their holy books and that is because they do not really have faith in God.





So, if their holy books are in error, they are left with nothing. Besides, their egos would never allow them to admit that their choice to believe was in error. And, if their holy books are in error, then so was their choice to believe in them.Theists, are any of you willing to admit that your holy books may be even slightly hard to interpret?
Such texts need to be read spiritually, if one is blinded to spiritual 'Truth' the messages will seem to need be interpreted.
You're forgetting non-Abrahamic holy books like the Tao Te Ching and the Vedas.
There is only





ONE,





holy book I follow. That is why there are ministers of the gospel such as pastors and other preachers.
The King James Version of the bible was interpreted directly from the original Greek and Hebrew language that it was written in.


it is the most reliable translation of the bible.


you can purchase a Strongs Exhaustive Concordanance of the bible to get the exact meaning of every word in the bible in the original greek or hebrew.


often times there is a deeper emphasis behind a word or it means differently in english..


so look it up online or buy a book and check the bible out for yourself..


the bible is very accurate.
Oh, certainly.





I couldn't understand The Book of Mormon until I was twelve or so, and you're not going to get much out of Isaiah unless you read and ponder his words several times just so you can get used to his style.





Your line of questioning is admirable, but I think that more errors happened during manual transcription than during translation.
The Quran was written by one man inspired by one angel. The book of Mormon was written by one man inspired by one angel. The bible was written by 40 authors over 1400 years and was scattered all over Europe... but somehow survived. The 40 were poets, kings, prophets, unknowns, taxmen, fishermen. You choose which one was God driven and is his word. (Remember of course that not everything is God's will... If that were the case porn would have been eradicated).





The book is the best reference I have to the historical Jesus. I don't 'follow' a book. I follow the Christ. If there was a book written about you and I wanted to know you better I would read it. I would not stop the relationship because now I have a book.
The Christian Bible says it MANY times !!! And the difficulty of the Koran is mentioned too.





2 Peter 3:16


He [ St Paul ] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.





St Paul


But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Only to the non believers. The bible was meant for only Christians to read because only Christians can understand it. God and the Holy Spirit speaks to us whenever we read it.
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